Broadcast 19 March on PARS Satellite TV (Los Angeles)

This clip consists of two excerpts from Sirus Sarafshahi's weekly program "Point of View: A Study of the Week's Political Issues." His guest is anti-Islamic republic activist Dr. Rahnavardi.

Rahnavardi: It is true that I am active in two political organizations, but I have a personal account to settle with this regime.

People came from Iran and we had meetings there [Dubayy]. The news was very good, and that was that if something were to happen in the country this very nation would deal with this regime. The things you are seeing are all superficial, they are all things this regime has made up to say to to the world, things like the people are behind them, but it is not like this.

They have formed resistance cells in Iran. I have been in touch with them, I have been at gatherings, I have been among the people in the athletic class, they ones who come forward. We have had meetings. My meetings have been mostly in the nature of coordination.

Suggestions were made that were not acted upon. Before they realized I was there and before anything could be done I left Dubayy. This was entirely personal; it was for me. I had not told anyone I was going to be traveling.

As you know, we have pride; we have a sense of honor that we never neglect. We have never reached out to anyone. You yourself have seen that in 8 years here with that monthly $30 or $40 that we get from you we have kept the lamp burning for this solidarity conference. Our friends provide $50 monthly assistance.

We have not gotten to the point where I will go and get money from the Arabs. I do not accept Arabs at all! I do not accept Arabs. I do not accept their religion, nor do I accept the fact that they came and took my country by force! I am fighting them!

God willing my book will come out and you will see the truths I have told that have their roots in this devastation. Why has this day come for us? Why? It is this very nation of Islam!

Mr. Sarafshahi, it is this very nation of Islam that has brought our nation to the verge of obliteration. I'm telling you, 70 percent of the people are unhappy with this government, but they can't cry out because they will immediately suppress them.

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This Islamic Republic is mostly propaganda. They are nothing! They say whoever became wealthy made their money there, but that is not true. That is true to an extent, but it is not the way they are saying. They are not opening the purse and giving money to everybody. They exaggerate these things.

I told you, people have told me they are just waiting for a plan and then we will see what they will do. These people have names, homes, and programs. They are individuals who are waiting to take action there, but they don't do it because they are wondering what will happen once they start.

They are waiting for the right time. The nation of Iran will get its revenge from them! They get up in the morning and go to the mosque to pray and tell us we did or didn't pray. They are our problem!

But the real nation of Iran is something else. They are not Iranians, they are Muslims. The Muslims we have say they are Muslims first, then Iranians. We do not accept this! We say you have to be Iranian first, then you can have any religion. We have Jews, we have Iraqis, we have Syrians, all of these people are our best patriots. Why? Because they are Iranians first!

These Jews who are here are the best Iranian patriots, right? Therefore our problem is that nation of Islam! The nation of Iran has an account to settle with them. Then there are a lot of issues. Who are they? What are they doing here? That gentleman who comes here and establishes a foundation, this is the nation of Islam. This is not Iranian!

Sarafshahi: Yes, the threat felt by our nation and by all of us as the new year begins is that the representatives of America and the Islamic republic are meeting in Iraq and talking with each other about Iraq's security.

Mr. Khalilzad and Iran's representatives are exchanging harsh word, and it is evident that America, as we all expected, is absolutely unwilling to compromise with them. In other words the issues with them must be resolved. This is the demand of the people of Iran, as you have just been saying, and it is also the demand of the Americans who have suffered so much damage at the hands of the mullahs during these 29 years!

They have suffered a great deal of damage! They say that when Iran's delegation was in Baghdad Mr. Khalilzad had a box of documents about the things the Islamic republic is doing in Iraq! When the deputy secretary of defense was in this country, this box was filled with intelligence about this country. They made all of this available to them! This business about defectors is a story to tell.

Rahnavardi: Excuse me Mr. Sarafshahi, but they have come to their senses too slowly! We've been saying these things for years. What do you think this Mr. Vaez Tabasi does with all the revenue that comes into the Province of Qods-e Razavi [Khorasan]? Mr. Khatami said this would be added to the nation's budget!

Where does this money go? Not a cent of it goes into the government treasury; this money goes into classes for jihadis, for terrorist classes! It pays the expenses of the people of this very nation of Islam who spread themselves all over the world!

Anywhere in the world you see them stabbing somebody, cutting off his head or suffocating someone, this is the work of that nation of Islam! It is nothing other than this.

They have done this. I am talking about the damage this government has done since it first appeared. We have told the Americans this. We've said sir, keep your wits about you!

They brought this Mr. Mohammad Khatami and he deceived you for eight years. No one was able to vote for a referendum, but we should have known they brought this Mr. Mohammad Khatami so he could keep the regime going for another eight years!

Read their Koran! Read their Traditions! They say we are Muslims and we must govern the world. Non-Muslims, whoever they are, are unclean and they must be eliminated. What more do you want to say?

It has come to a point where they have taken a country and made it the center of their power; they want to use this to take over the entire world! To do this they can only do one thing. They have to brainwash the people and get the children to blow themselves up with bombs! They can't do anything else!

We knew from the beginning that these people, as the Americans say, are troublemakers. These people are not a government like the one where Khomeini promised freedom, welfare, greatness and knowledge. All of these things have turned out to be lies!

We knew these things from the beginning, but after seven or eight years Mr. Khalilzad finally came to his senses. We knew these things from the beginning and we told them to pay attention! What does dissimulation mean? You know this means public lying. All of their imams dissimulated! Meaning the eight imams after Imam Hossein, 11 imams dissimulated! They kissed the caliph's hand and sat in the court. Later he said sir, when you were the imam you promised not to make war, and he said I dissimulated!